What belts/sashes...

topic posted Wed, October 4, 2006 - 8:13 AM by  FairTax
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I was talking to Qatana and we thought it might be helpful to start a thread discussingwhat we each have for Belts, Sashes, no belts etc.. in our various systems!

I'll start in teh next post!
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  • Re: What belts/sashes...

    Wed, October 4, 2006 - 8:24 AM
    In aikido its really hard to define the belt system, as different organisations, and different schools within an organisation can have entirely different colors for each rank, or no colored belts at all. SO generally when we discuss rank it is by grade rather than by belt.
    My dojo goes white, purple, blue, green, brown,brown, black. Our parent dojo does not use the purple or green,but my Sensei decided that we deserved a new belt to show for our gradings.
    So I am testing for second kyu in November, which is pretty universally brown, then we stay brown for first kyu cuz the next belt you get is the black one...I guess by first kyu its not so important to have a new color!
  • Re: What belts/sashes...

    Wed, October 4, 2006 - 8:34 AM
    I'd tell you that our system : Sun Moo Kwan Hapkido , had a system. We dont really(I mean one you MUST adhere to). In fact, I think we've changed teh way we do it in Our school (of which our master is teh assoc head) about 5 diff times in teh last years. The changes have only been the using or not using of Stripes on our belts, and teh addition of an Extra belt (... oy) to teh rankings. These are new developements, as there used to be far fewer belts. Apparantly if you move up belts , its felt that you wont get discouraged as easily about your advancements.
    We have Gup levels that corrospond to belts that work backward. All teh colors have a particular significance as to what they "mean" and what their lessons are. The kids get weekly talk at teh start of thier Leadership class on the Character building/lesson for that months is. This month is : Motivation. Last Month it was Charisma...

    white-9th gup
    yellow-8th
    orange-7th
    green-6th
    purple-5th
    blue -4th
    red -3rd
    brown-2nd
    brown/black -1st gup
    blackbelt recommended(black but Not Really THE Black)
    and
    Black belts (Yudan-ja )from 1st to 10th Dan. (teh 10th is Only held by teh GrandMaster of Hapkido (who teaches SinMoo style) Ji,HanJae.

    Some schools who follow our Assoc do things thier own way. Like they may only do the traditional belts (white, yellow,green,blue, red, brown , and black I think)

    Hmm.. now that Ive thoroughly confused yall.. ;)

    Nin
  • Re: What belts/sashes...

    Wed, October 4, 2006 - 8:37 AM
    I practice Tang Soo Do. I know it varies by school, but in mine its:

    White
    Purple with one white stripe, then two stripes, then three stripes
    Green with one stripe, two stripes, three stripes
    Red with one stripe, two stripes, three stripes
    Black
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    Re: What belts/sashes...

    Wed, October 4, 2006 - 9:06 AM
    In DanZan Ryu Jujitsu there are small variations amoung belts, but basically it's.....

    white
    blue
    green
    brown
    black (levels 1 to 9 Dan)

    the kids have yellow, orange and purple between the white and blue belts that adults get. Some dojos put stripes on the belts as well, further defining rank.

    I am at green level, which would indicate that I have 4 out of 6 lists mastered. List 6 is for black and above. There are other lists of arts that combine elements of the basic 6 lists that address specific needs such as the geisha arts, weapon arts, handicapped adjusted, etc.

    Some dojos are able to "crank out" a black belt in a year and a half, while others take many years to perfect character and skill.
    • Re: What belts/sashes...

      Wed, October 4, 2006 - 9:51 AM
      And then there's the Hakama (the long black culottes,for those unfamiliar).
      In "most" aikido schools you get to weaar the hakama only after passing black belt. Ourt our parent dojo says you can wear it at first kyu(2nd brown belt), but my dojo waits for black.. Some organisations require all students to wear on from their first day of training, or passing their first test. Some dojo require that all women wear one "for modesty resaons" which I absolutely do not understand. we're Very Well Covered from the waist down,we're wearing pants! No hakama is going to keep the top of my gi from gaping open! And personally, if my partner is busy looking at my cleavage its going to make my technique that much better because he clearly is not concentrating on the attack!
      However its a pretty good indication that id you go to a seminar and a hakama offers to train with you, they Are a Dan grade(Yadansha) and not a kyu grade(mudansha)
      • Re: What belts/sashes...

        Wed, October 4, 2006 - 9:51 AM
        GEISHA ARTS?????????
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          Wed, October 4, 2006 - 10:15 AM
          At my dojo , Shotokan Karate, we have(this varies with Shotokan dojos)
          stripes are given each month for testing-its basically black electrical tape put around the bottom of your belt. After each belt I will put how many stripes you need to obtain your next belt.

          White(3 stripes)
          Gold (3)
          Orange (3)
          Blue (3)
          Purple (3)
          Green (3)
          Red (3)
          Red/Brown (6)
          Brown (6)
          Brown/Black (9-12 stripes)
          Black

          I'm a Brown/Black with like 24 stripes-yes, I'm waiting to test.
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          Re: What belts/sashes...

          Thu, October 12, 2006 - 8:47 AM
          A list of arts adapted so that the person doing them never makes more than a 4 inch single step. It is an accomodation for when women wore kimonos and pencil skirts. Very cool list which really makes you use a lot of flexibility and technique
    • Re: What belts/sashes...

      Wed, October 4, 2006 - 10:54 AM
      OMIGODS!!

      *I* want Geisha Arts!!!.. and We're Korean! How freaking COOL is that??
      We have disabled or special circumstances training.. like Seated techniques, one armed (which were useful when mine was broken) having your hands tied behind yoru back, and blindfolded...

      Now im gunna pout... but then- the thought of how voluminous Id look in a Geisha costume/kimono... mabye I'll sparethe rest of yall teh visual!
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        Wed, October 4, 2006 - 11:06 AM
        We have gone from stripes, no stripes.. mabye stripes..(soem of us had em, some of us didnt cuase they'd keep forgetting about it)... Im glad to be in a cycle of NOT having em right now . I had noticed Erika didnt offer to model a vinyl suit. *pouts* ... but if I were her(with *my* dislike for tape/vinyl) Id feel liek I was wearing one already.

        Diane is so close!! And Qatana in Nov for her Brown!Erika as soon as she gets to! wooohoooo!! (Who'd I miss?)

        Also.. in our system.. you dont HAVE to wear a certain color dobok . Each school has thier own color. Some wear white, Grand Masters wear Grey (it looks liek a prison outfit to me) Ours are black.. and Im soooooooo glad. Especially when its that time. bleh.. tho I cant help but feal that hakamas are wonderful in letting you move. are they silky? They look it.

        Speaking of Gaps... Im sufficienty..... Hourglass shaped for gaping to be an issue. I made a shoe string tie at about boob level on my Dress uniform(cuase its lightweight).. but I Still ahve to pull my dobok down around my hips every 2 minutes cuase it rides up. Any suggestions?

        Nin
        Oh!.. I wanted to say THANK YOU!~ to you gals for all yoru replies thus far.. it will be great to look back at this thread when Im confused about what your doing/testing for!.


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        Re: What belts/sashes...

        Thu, October 12, 2006 - 8:49 AM
        FairTax,

        I will try to dig up the list of geisha arts if you'd like. I will also give you the name of the sensei who teaches them. I think you'd enjoy them. I sure did. I used them after I broke my knee since I was unable to move too much.
      • Re: What belts/sashes...

        Wed, November 8, 2006 - 12:26 PM
        I have been away from Tribe a while. When I checked in on my home page (which had morphed into something foreign -- giving an ironic twist to the phrase, "There's no place like home") lo and behold but I am prompted to catch up on multi-hundreds of "new" posts in each of a couple dozen tribes.

        Pish-posh.

        So the first place I come is here and click on the belts and sashes title because it is about the only thing I feel competent even to read about, let alone comment with some authority. I was feeling at best a bit overwhelmed by the volume of posts... at worst, depressed about being so out of touch... and then up comes your dreadfully funny pseudo-whiny pouty post about not training in "Geisha Arts."

        I snarfled lunch tidbits onto the keyboard.

        I startled the cat from her mid-day nap.

        I remembered what good friends I have in this tribe.

        I'll be back. Gotta get back to work RIGHT NOW but I'll be back.

        Hugs,
        LinSu

        P.S. - Testing for first kyu in taichi this Saturday morning. Like other schools, that's a brown sash -- same one I've been wearing for the last 12 months. -- LS
  • Re: What belts/sashes...

    Thu, October 5, 2006 - 10:32 AM

    I was in Shoshin Ryu Karate which was an off-shoot from another school.... I've been out for a while, so I don't remember - bad me. However, it's a Japanese style which mixes jujitsu and karate. The katas are familiar to other karates I've read about Pinan 1-5 etc.

    Belts
    White (1)
    yellow (3) - can normall get to each level in one semester
    Blue (1) - can normall get to each level in one semester
    Green (3) - takes about two semesters to reach each level
    Brown (1-2) -takes about two semesters to reach each level
    Brown (3-4) -takes about 3 to 4 semesters to reach each level
    Black - lots of black but most folks only get to 3rd or 4th degree black belt
    * to get from Black 1 to Black 2 an average is two years of training if not more....

    This is all from my memory....

    Before I left the school I made it to my blackbelt - I had been in that school for 7 years and practiced at least twice a week for 3 hrs.
    • Re: What belts/sashes...

      Thu, October 5, 2006 - 10:48 AM

      I'd wear a Tshirt.. but I sweat bad enough as it is!!.. If I could open my dobok at the top 6 inches ot get a constant air flow- I would! LOL which reminds me I need to go buy a new sports bra before testing......

      *votes to see Qatana in her catsuit!* I cant go there. If I wear anything form fitting it always reminds me of that quote from M*A*S*H abotu Margaret Hoolihan..soemthing like
      " Her thighs look liek 2 bulldogs in a burlap bag, fighting.."
      These days Im tying to think that there is Some interest out ther ein teh Rubanesque physique. *sigh*

      Hey! I thought we'd lost VRon to teh verdant tropical paradise! *waves!* Godo to see ya ,girl!

      Im hyper from my morning workout.. can ya tell!?! can ya, huh?!?!?

      Nin
      • Re: What belts/sashes...

        Thu, October 5, 2006 - 1:25 PM
        I wear a sports tank top under my gi. Otherwise I would pop out -and even though I am curvy -I don't have the boobs to match it.
        • Re: What belts/sashes...

          Sun, November 12, 2006 - 12:45 AM
          I want to point out that it's not just a 'curvy women' problem- I'm not curvy at all and my gi keeps coming open- meanwhile other curvier women in the class seem to be doing OK and staying inside theirs- and the occasional flat-as-a-board guy's gi is flailing off all over the place. Maybe it's sizing the things right? I'm completely baffled at why I have this problem while others don't seem as plagued by it.
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            Sun, November 12, 2006 - 7:28 AM
            What kind of gi do you wear? A judo gi gaps way more than a karate one.
            Janet sews extra ties onto hers,they tie closer to the armpit so it doesn't gap at all.
  • Re: What belts/sashes...

    Wed, October 11, 2006 - 10:29 PM
    Seconded on the "difficult to define" aspects of Aikido. The dojo where I started went white, white, blue, blue, brown, brown, black. My new dojo has an extra rank in there at the bottom, and belts stay white until they turn black. Whenever I'm visiting a new dojo, I throw my brown belt and my white belt both in my bag, and try to hang back and watch people dress before I decide which one to pull out. Then, for me, it gets more complicated, because my brown belt has been passed down from person to person since before I was alive, so it looks kind of dingy yellow-orange now, and new partners are just totally baffled at it. I've only ever seen one Aikido dojo (Durango, CO) that used orange belts.
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    Thu, May 3, 2007 - 10:19 PM
    I've practiced Ba gua zhang at three different schools now, and my current school is the only one to have gradings. The other schools i was at kinda had the attitude that gradings and sash systems had the potential to detract from yr own internal knowledge of where you are at and what you need to learn/concentrate on. "You are as good as you are" seemed to be the motto. Having come from that envronment to one where you train for gradings is interesting and i can see the merits of both approaches - personally i like having the external motavation to really hammer out the kinks in my forms - i'm assuming that as i get better this will slowly become internalised. :-)

    Anyway, our "system" currently has 4 levels;
    Entrance Dan
    1st Dan
    2nd Dan
    3rd Dan

    Our teacher recommends a year's training before going for Entrance or 1st Dan, 2 years for 2nd and 3 years for 3rd. After that, i guess you just work on improving without the reinforcement of grading. Our sashes are all red with a little yin/yang patch for each Dan above entrance that you pass.
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    Tue, May 8, 2007 - 6:57 PM
    I've studied at four different Isshinryu Karate schools (the most recent three all in the same pedigree, though) & our ranking system is like this:

    White (10th kyu)
    Yellow (9th kyu)
    1st degree blue (8th kyu)
    2nd degree blue (etc.) <-- green electrical tape!
    1st degree green (me!)
    2nd degree green <-- black electrical tape, because Sensei says the only purple they sell is "horrid"
    purple
    1st degree brown
    2nd degree brown <-- two strips of black electrical tape
    3rd degree brown <-- one strip of tape (one strip is removed)
    1st degree black (shodan)
    2nd degree black (nidan)

    ...& so forth

    I just got my 6th kyu in March, & I started studying in January 2002 (though I took about 2 years off in the process, so it's realistically been a little over 3 years). A good friend in my dojo has trained continuously since Nov 2000, & he just got his shodan last December.
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      Sat, May 12, 2007 - 9:42 PM
      wow! old thread.
      in my eclectic southern shaolin school, we have only
      white
      green
      brown
      black

      so its really kind of generalizing and i guess they like to keep it that way.
      i should have been testing for my brown when i left.
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        Re: What belts/sashes...

        Sun, May 13, 2007 - 4:24 PM
        In my dojo/system, which is Kempo Karate, we have:
        white
        yellow
        orange
        purple
        blue
        blue w/green stripe
        green
        green w/brown stripe
        brown: three levels
        black

        then you just start adding stripes

        Underneath: love my Under Armour! I wore a tank and shorts until recently and now wear a sports bra style under my chest guard plus the shorts. Under Armour breathes, is lightweight, machine washable and dries on the doorknob of my bathroom for the few hours it takes to dry the elastic band. I'm still struggling with my hair though. For five years I kept it short--easy! Now it hangs about two inches below my shoulders and defies covered rubber bands, clips, you name it. Any suggestions as I grow it out a few more inches?
  • Re: What belts/sashes...

    Fri, July 27, 2007 - 12:31 PM
    Hi everyone! I am new to the group.

    Up until recently, I studied under two systems, MASTER system and Gaijin Ryu Jiu Jitsu. I am taking a break from the MASTER system. My last belt test was a bit too hard on the body.

    In the MASTER system, I am a green belt, which is the, including white belt, is the 4th belt. In Gaijin Ryu, I am a blue belt, hopefully a purple belt at the end of August.
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      Re: What belts/sashes...

      Fri, July 27, 2007 - 1:25 PM
      Hey, i'm new too

      I train at the NY Aikikai.

      We have two belts, white and black. 5th-1st Kyu is white, and the Shodan and higher is black + hakama

      • Re: What belts/sashes...

        Tue, July 31, 2007 - 1:19 PM
        To Erika(the second we have here! ) and Ms. deb,

        Welcome to the Tribe!! I hope you find much to interest you, inspire you and comfort you. I hope you will extend yourself so that you may be so to others . :D

        Ive never heard of Masters... but then again- I find myself woefully ignorant on so many subjects its no great surprise.. hehehehehhe

        I look fwd to gettingto know ya'll!

        Ninnian (Nin)
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          Wed, August 1, 2007 - 7:43 AM
          The MASTER system stands for Mixing All Styles Together Everything Realistic. It has a Jeet Kune Do philosophy; keep what is useful, discard what is useless. Each instructor of the system adds something unique to the system and it is always evolving. I am not surprised that you never heard of it. I sort of stumbled into it myself a few years ago.

          The advantage of this style is also its disadvantage. You get exposed to so many styles and techniques. However, because of all that exposure, there doesn't always appear to be enough focus. So, I decided to focus one aspect for a while and improve my level of confidence.

          Thank you for the warm welcome!
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    Re: What belts/sashes...

    Thu, August 2, 2007 - 11:52 AM
    Surprised no one posted on Brazilian Jiu Jitsu yet...

    In BJJ, it's white to blue to purple to brown to black. Very few belts, but it takes forever to get to black, 8-10 years on average, I think. I kind of think of it like the American university system...a blue belt is an associate's degree, purple is a bachelor's, brown is master's, and black is Ph.D! :-)
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      Thu, August 2, 2007 - 1:56 PM
      Oh cool!..
      That sounds klnda liek my spiritual life: Take what works, discard what doesn't.
      I look foward to hearing more about it as you travel thru your art and share with us!

      and your welcome! but you may be wishing you could ignore me when I have day sthat are dyslex-ridden nightmares in typing!! waaaahahahahahahah!!!.. *cough!*

      I have to work on that evil laugh thing

      Nin
  • Re: What belts/sashes...

    Tue, February 26, 2008 - 1:48 PM
    Another new girl reviving an old thread....

    In our dojo we have the option of learning three different styles, Yue Chia, Shorin Ryu, and Yang Tai Chi. We're not supposed to put much importance on belts. Nobody is ever forced to test. One of my dojo brothers has been training for just 6 months less then I have and he's still a green belt. The belts pretty much just tell us where to stand in lineup, what rules to follow during contact exercises, and who would be the best person to ask if you dont have a clue what's going on. We have the same belt system for each style, and a lot of the qualifications go across the board (attendance, memorization of the rules/creed, number of forms to perform, commitment to personal growth etc). And if you have a BB in any system (even if it's not from our dojo) Sifu encourages you to wear it to any class. Few people ever do. Anyways, we go:

    White
    Yellow
    Green
    Brown
    2nd Brown
    Black (1st, 2nd, 3rd etc)

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